Something to ponder ..

I watched Cindy on the stand yesterday. I have to admit, she was a very sympathetic witness. I even cried a bit. Her pain is obvious and now out there for the world to see.
However, I also watched the afternoon replay on HLN, crappy as their broadcast of it was. (I have little patience for badly placed commercials!)
I noticed something the second time I missed in the first emotional viewing.Cindy referred to Caylee as ‘her baby’ at least twice that I can recall.
Was it a slip of the tongue from a grieving grandmother? Or was it intentional? Implying in a subtle way that she considered Caylee her own?
We know for a fact Cindy supplied Caylee with everything – from doctors visits to formula. Casey had no income and yet the baby had everything – and more – that she would need.
hmmmm …

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69 Comments (+add yours?)

  1. Venice
    May 29, 2011 @ 11:55:30

    Cindy is finally reaching out to Caylee. I always knew she was a wonderful grandmother, but her decisions were just not reflecting it. Up until now 🙂

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  2. Kim
    May 29, 2011 @ 12:05:41

    I think Cindy wanted a second chance at raising a daughter to prove she wasn’t entirely responsible for the first female horror she spawned.

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    • Sherry
      May 29, 2011 @ 14:03:43

      ~or she wanted to know what it would be like to raise a child that wasn’t so bratty and mean to her~

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      • Kim
        May 29, 2011 @ 14:07:00

        So that then takes us to nature or nurture, Sherry

        Did Cindy raise Casey in such a way as to have created this monster?

        Or is there actually some physical or emotional or maybe chemical reason for Casey?

      • Sherry
        May 29, 2011 @ 15:20:34

        I’m not of an either/or opinion of how children turn out as adults. I am of the opinion that both nurture and nature, plus environmental influences that can cause chemical imbalances in the brain, has an affect on a child/adult personality. I don’t know that anything Cindy could have done would have prevented Casey’s sociopathy. Her lack of discipline certainly didn’t help Casey to grow up though.

      • Kim
        May 29, 2011 @ 15:39:25

        Her lack of discipline could be the result of years of frustration of her efforts having no result. Cindy and I are of an age so I see her as not wanting to raise her children with the corporal punishment we had but rather with time outs and groundings. If Casey was as out of control at a prepubescent age Cindy may have switched to more of a ‘friend’ type parenting, which we all know does not work

  3. Kim
    May 29, 2011 @ 12:59:31

    Baez’s opening statement

    http://www.wftv.com/video/28009322/index.html

    I missed the beginning where they lower Casey’s chair – interesting

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  4. Kim
    May 29, 2011 @ 13:58:45

    I see ‘Dr. ‘ Glass did some modifications to her more recent posts – I wonder why

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  5. Sherry
    May 29, 2011 @ 14:00:45

    I’m relistening to the openers now. I’m still on LDB’s. I’m wondering if that car accident Zanny had was from Cindy’s head or if Casey really said that to her mother. Cindy was saying alot of things to deflect the investigation off of Casey so I just question if that was a Casey tale as an excuse or a Cindy tale to prove there was a nanny. If its Cindy’s woven work then Baez will bring that out as he cross examines her. I know he will do whatever he can to impeach the Anthonys.

    Yes, its a shame that Cindy called Caylee her baby. I think Cindy was so used to calling her that, and believing that, that it was unintentional. Ofcourse, Cindy has been known to be passive-aggressive with Casey. I’m sure this is another thing that Baez will bring up in the cross examination. He has to make them out to be the most dysfunctional family on earth.

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    • Kim
      May 29, 2011 @ 14:13:52

      I will have to make sure to listen more closely to Cindy. I am concerned about this since it could play into the defense’s little story.

      I don’t want ANY back sliding from Cindy!

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      • Sherry
        May 29, 2011 @ 15:24:44

        Ah! If Cindy did lie to LE to prove there was a nanny, etc., will Cindy confess to lying or will she continue to uphold the lie thus possibly hanging Casey with them? Poetic justice-mama’s lies puts away her own lying daughter for life.

      • Kim
        May 29, 2011 @ 15:35:42

        I see it as Mama following the lies, expecting them to be true and devastated when they are proven lies!

        🙂

  6. Kim
    May 29, 2011 @ 14:02:48

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    • Kim
      May 29, 2011 @ 14:04:07

      learn something new every day!!

      “Ironically, this opening statement issue came up in what many consider “the case” that led to Nancy Grace’s fall from grace (pun intended) as a prosecutor. See Carr v. State, 482 SE 2d at 322 (GA. 1997) (“The transcript of the opening argument shows that the prosecuting attorney (Nancy Grace) repeatedly made references to physical abuse although the trial court had ruled out all evidence of purported abuse. There is no occasion and no excuse for attempting to influence the jury in advance by improper statements as to evidence which counsel knows he cannot prove or will not be permitted to introduce.”)”

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  7. CptKD
    May 29, 2011 @ 15:31:29

    Did you see this?

    From: (With thanks)
    http://jessicaspraggins.wordpress.com/

    With connecting ‘Link’ to:

    “Casey Lashes out in court Video & Lip Reader’s view of what is said”

    http://bigmouthshelly.wordpress.com/2011/05/28/casey-lashes-out-in-court-video-lip-readers-view-of-what-is-said/

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    • Kim
      May 29, 2011 @ 15:32:26

      I hadn’t – thanks Cap!

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    • Dawgbert
      May 29, 2011 @ 16:06:07

      Cap Great picture. Defense should ask Lee about relationship
      with Casey and then introduce this picture. Do you see
      how Casey grips Lee’s Arm?

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      • CptKD
        May 29, 2011 @ 18:55:36

        Thanks ‘Dawgbert’!

        Your moniker pic is absolutely
        adorable – He looks so cute in
        his ‘football’ jersey!

    • Louise
      May 29, 2011 @ 21:05:20

      Cap; thanks so much for posting her blog. I just joined because she writes a great article here. Very concise. I also saw the blog where the interpretation of Casey’s words were given. Most interesting. I’m sure we will get even more by Tuesday. I sent something to Sherry for you.

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      • CptKD
        May 30, 2011 @ 11:57:40

        I found her writing to be pretty ‘powerful’ also…

        It’s funny, because I found her blog by total fluke,
        on my phone.

        Whenever I use my phone’s ‘wordpress’ bookmark, it
        generates the most recent posts, and her’s happened
        to come up –
        She must be fairly new, being that I’ve never seen her
        posts before… Same for the blog she referenced for the
        ‘lip-reading’…

        Anyways, being that I CANT seem to get enough, one
        more added to the ‘Caylee’ list CANT possibly hurt.

        On another note….Sherry did send me your email address,
        but I’ve yet to check my email, and so I’ve not ‘technically’
        rec’d any thing since yesterday afternoon…

        I have to run out real quick, but I will check EVERYTHING
        when I return…

        And so… with that –

        I Hope my fellow ‘American’ friends are enjoying their holiday
        Monday – Happy Memorial Day, to you all!

  8. offthecuff
    May 29, 2011 @ 16:07:52

    So what was Casey expecting her mother to say or do outside of looking at her? This is getting crazier and crazier.

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    • Kim
      May 29, 2011 @ 16:19:54

      All of Cindy’s attempts for Casey’s attention went ignored for months and months. Casey refused to see her mother in the jail Mother’s day weekend.

      Is Baez keeping Casey so tightly confined that even Casey is unaware of these things? Is it possible for a defendants attorney to refuse visits in the jail?
      I doubt Baez could disallow a visit so he must have some other way of blocking Cindy’s visit

      For Casey to lash out at her mother now for ignoring her is as ridiculous as Baez’s OS

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      • Kim
        May 29, 2011 @ 16:21:02

        Casey also knows they are supporting her junk food and hair band habit by putting $ in the jail acct for her

      • Louise
        May 29, 2011 @ 18:49:56

        Well my opinion is this: Casey knows where the cameras are at all times. She has made it her business to have a trained eye. She got very emotional whenever there was a reference to: 1) OPENING STATEMENT – Physical Abuse
        2) When her girlfriend quoted her “boy I’m a good liar”, 3) When Tony said the secret wasn’t about Daddy abusing her, but Lee groping and Daddy hitting her for discipline. 4) When Cindy decided to tell the truth. The accumulation of all of that, made Casey have a mini breakdown, realizing she is not going to win this without her parents lying and coverups. She fantasized that her parents would do ANYTHING FOR HER, even taking the rap . She might even be dreaming of Lee’s testimony, backing up the abuse by her father. She’s a terrible chess player, along with her Lawyer.
        Back to your post. Cindy isn’t on trial for being a loving grandmother who called her grandchild her baby. They all called her their baby. It was a group, like Casey said in jail. They each were a finger of a hand. Too bad noone used the thumb to curtail and discipline a runaway trainwreck.

      • Kim
        May 29, 2011 @ 19:18:35

        Casey isn’t as smart as she is cunning. She watches, learns the lay of the land and like any chameleon she adapts nearly instantly to her surroundings. She is a user, abuser and a liar.
        You are completely right, Louise, she knows exactly where the cameras are. She is also fully aware that her reactions impel her counsel to react to her and for her. They are there strictly FOR CASEY, better or worse.

        This Casey’s DREAM situation!! People jumping at her beck and call!

  9. dawgbert
    May 29, 2011 @ 16:32:03

    Cindy Anthony is only guilty of loving Caylee.
    So what if she treated Caylee as a second daughter.
    Casey was out partying and did not take care of
    little Caylee.

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    • Kim
      May 29, 2011 @ 16:34:57

      I personally have no issue with it. The baby needed care and Cindy gave it. I doubt Casey gave a damn one way or the other and learned early on she cuold use the baby to control her mother. Also her father loved Caylee beyond words – it is visible in every photo I have seen of them together.

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  10. dawgbert
    May 29, 2011 @ 16:34:20

    My question is where exactly did Casey
    live and work?

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    • Kim
      May 29, 2011 @ 16:35:37

      Casey never went back to work after giving birth

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      • dawgbert
        May 29, 2011 @ 16:45:26

        Thank you Kim. Wait till Lee says he would
        die for a little girl like Caylee.

      • Kim
        May 29, 2011 @ 16:49:32

        My concern for Cindy’s wording is that it could be used by the defense to impeach her by saying she knowingly pushed Casey away from her own baby and interrupted normal mother/ child bonding out of her own self serving needs

      • Louise
        May 29, 2011 @ 18:53:23

        Kim; expect dirty pool. Of course they will use that and it will backfire on them with the Jury. Love is love and that should not enter into but only support PREMEDITATED MURDER. It might be used in the mitigating factors upon punishment.

      • CptKD
        May 29, 2011 @ 19:10:34

        This new ‘Motion’ that’s being filed on
        Tuesday morning, just might change
        the scope of questioning that Baez and
        co. will be allowed to pursue…

        If Baez is prevented from questioning
        in the RHEALM of ABUSE from here on,
        it will no doubt have to change his whole
        existing ‘supposed’ defense…

        Think he’ll be really lost come the decision
        on this ruling…
        My understanding is, that Lippman filed it,
        and if JP rules in ‘favour of’, then Bozo & Co
        are SOL!

      • Kim
        May 29, 2011 @ 19:20:06

        I expect nothing BUT dirty pool. This is team Casey , after all!

  11. dawgbert
    May 29, 2011 @ 16:54:27

    When I was growing up my niece and nephew
    loved me like I was a Saint. They called my parents
    Geema and Geedad. Love outside the boundaries of
    parents is priceless.

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  12. dawgbert
    May 29, 2011 @ 17:19:16

    If Casey is so upset, where was the real father
    in the delivery room? Casey, to this date, does not know
    who the real father is. What a sl**t. Cindy and George
    did the best they could to act like pround GrandParents.

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    • Kim
      May 29, 2011 @ 17:37:11

      This is an interesting family dynamic here, to me anyway. I understand they weren’t given a lot of time to processes or prepare for a baby because Casey never bothered to tell them.

      I know there are a lot of people who question this – I have simply because of Cindy being a nurse – however, I know a few young ladies who have managed to hide a pregnancy from their families. Also, in Cindy’s defense – did I say that?! – she was virtually the sole bread winner for the family. Her hours must have been killer! Just from the look of the place they lived well. Caylee wanted for nothing and we know Casey paid for nothing.

      I seriously doubt Casey knows who the father is. It was convenient for the father to be dead – no questions for him, no demands from him.

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    • Kim
      May 29, 2011 @ 17:39:22

      Nothing Casey ever did to them was passed to Caylee, to C & G’s credit. She was loved like the special angel she was.

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  13. offthecuff
    May 29, 2011 @ 19:28:41

    There was competition between Cindy and Casey with Caylee, but Cindy could always “win” because she was accomplished and had the money.

    I do think Casey loved Caylee and they had their moments, but Casey couldn’t keep up with Cindy and she had a rebellious streak. She should’ve been happy with all Cindy provided but she wanted the life her peers had. In that she found a self-worth. Cindy sometimes would put her down, which is so easy for a mother to do.

    Unfortunately, Casey’s love for Caylee was often outweighed by her feelings of inadequacy and anger toward Cindy and/or her desires for a freer life.

    I think she premeditated, but also snapped after being confronted by Cindy.
    Yes, Casey is a monster and a fool.

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  14. Kim
    May 29, 2011 @ 19:41:48

    I think Casey always carried feelings of inadequacy made more pronounced by an unwanted pregnancy. She never even gave herself the advantage of a diploma – this is her own doing, no one else.
    She may have, in the very beginning tried to mother Caylee but I do think she hasn’t the emotional capability to love anyone / thing other than herself for any extended period.

    I agree this was premeditated in the sense that she had thoughts of killing before the actual event was realized

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  15. Kim
    May 29, 2011 @ 20:19:49

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  16. CptKD
    May 29, 2011 @ 21:14:01

    From: Caylee Daily (With thanks)

    http://www.cayleedaily.com/2011/05/game-over-for-casey-anthony-with-new-motion-filed-by-parents/

    Re: Motion filed by Athony’s attorney

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  17. Kim
    May 29, 2011 @ 21:19:23

    It doesn’t say what the motion is

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    • CptKD
      May 29, 2011 @ 21:54:24

      Sorry – The actual Motion has yet to actually be filed, and so I’m not sure of it’s name, substance, and/or author.

      It is believed however, that Lippman is filing a Motion forcing the Defence to PROOVE that George/Lee sexually/physically abused Inmate ‘X’!
      Unless EVIDENCE of this, IS introduced by the DEFENCE, then Baez and co. CANNOT continue to question in the same vein.

      This Motion should HAVE been filed by the State, immediately after opening statements.

      Being that they didn’t, Lippman did and should it be DENIED, then the State will in all likelyhood, re-file it.

      Unless, bozo HAS SOLID EVIDENCE, or someone that will TESTIFY TO ‘IA’ BEING abused as he continues to state, then his line of questioning will have to avoid implying this from here on…

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  18. grandma+4
    May 29, 2011 @ 21:43:18

    i understand what everyone is saying and feeling but has everyone forgotten that when little Caylee was found in the woods, grandma and grandpa were eating crab cakes and having a great time. Cindy cleaned out the car lied, lied, lied for 3 years. they ruined so many people’s lives, been rude and only have thought of themselves. i guess everyone has forgotten, the last three years. if, in my opinion, Cindy was the greatest grandma , she would of known where Caylee was and had an address and phone number and a way to reach Caylee. she would of met the nanny and known everything about her. after all she was watching her precious granddaughter, for three years PLEASE!!!!!! Cindy, is trying to save her own rear, and get back at Casey. complete turn around, now they are in the hot seat. how convienent (sp) my granddaughter has lived with us since birth, she is 8 now. no way, my daughter would have pulled what Casey did and she would no longer have custody of her. they let this crap go on for months. JMO the time to stick up for Caylee was when she was born. i would of never trusted Casey with Caylee. Cindy and George should of done something to protect Caylee years ago.i know i will get flack but just stop and think how these two acted the last three years and how crazy they are!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • Kim
      May 29, 2011 @ 21:59:11

      I haven’t forgotten any of this
      I haven’t even tried in my own mind to explain what they have said and done.
      All I have is the now

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  19. offthecuff
    May 29, 2011 @ 21:54:24

    I’m wondering what another commenter questioned:

    If the Anthonys stood up for Casey, and George took the hit, who would prosecute him after Casey’s trial?

    (George already told Baez he would be willing to break the law and get into trouble for Casey.)

    If no one necessarily would go after George, then the Anthonys are merely angry about their “good” name being sullied, which doesn’t make sense. Their name has already been sullied for 3 years now.

    Why is the truth so precious to them at this time, while their value of Casey’s life is diminished?

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  20. Dawgbert
    May 29, 2011 @ 22:36:03

    No proof George molested Casey. No proof Caylee
    drowned in the pool. No proof Cronk hide body.
    No proof Lee touched Casey. Casey has to testify.
    JMHO

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  21. Dawgbert
    May 29, 2011 @ 22:51:06

    I am just throwing this out there. I have a younger sister
    who had a bedroom right next to mine. We shared the
    same bathroom. I would never invade my sister’s privacy.
    If you grow up your whole life with someone, you know that you could
    accidentlly see your sister either nude or partly unclothed.
    Baez will ask Lee if he ever saw Casey’s nude body. If he says
    no I believe he is lying. If he says yes, but by accident, Baez
    will jump all over him. Others reactions appreciated.

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  22. Kim
    May 29, 2011 @ 23:17:31

    Dawg – I grew up in a house with 3 brothers and 2 sisters
    a tiny house, one bathroom
    I was molested at 5 by a neighbor who brought us home from catholic school
    I was groped by my oldest brother
    i was sexually stalked by an uncle for all of my preteen years

    guess what
    My son is alive, vital and has two children of his own

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    • Kim
      May 29, 2011 @ 23:22:44

      I was kicked out of my family home at 18, not knowing I was pregnant

      i survived

      so did my son

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      • Louise
        Jun 01, 2011 @ 21:38:12

        Kim; I missed this post. I don’t know what to say. You are an amazing woman who has seen and experienced a great deal. If anyone understands this case you do. There seems to be a lack of any medical doctors on the witness list or in the media, supporting or debunking the abuse excuse for murder. How is the jury ever going to take the leap abuse to 1st degree murder

      • Kim
        Jun 01, 2011 @ 21:44:04

        I am only one of many women – and men- deeply engrossed in seeing this through. You are one of the many amazing people, Louise. We have made a commitment in our hearts to Caylee. We are here and Baez and his minions can do nothing about that.

        Doctors of any stripe are short in this case. Anyone that might have noticed, from the outside, how badly things were becoming are not there. Curious, right?

    • Dawgbert
      May 29, 2011 @ 23:38:20

      I am so sorry Kim, I would never do
      that to my only sister.

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      • Kim
        May 30, 2011 @ 12:38:54

        My point is – molestation doesn’t make you murder your child. If anything I think you would be more vigilante with your baby – not live with the molester

  23. Dawgbert
    May 29, 2011 @ 23:24:09

    Bottom line is Baez can not
    deliver the lies he told. Period!

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  24. Dawgbert
    May 30, 2011 @ 13:11:42

    Must see YouTube video.
    A computer store owner , saw Casey and Caylee together the day after Father’s day at Walmart. So apparently the state has a witness that can cast doubt on any story that Caylee drowned, at least on that morning.

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